Posts by Marvin Shilmer

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Are we pro-shunning or against it?

by Simon in

just to continue my theme about religious freedom and how we approach criticizing the wts, i've also been thinking about 'shunning'.. i think shunning is the most unifying complaint that most ex-members of religious groups that practice it have in common.

it is the layer that runs under every other complaint - whatever the reason for leaving it seems "... and i was shunned" can be added to it as the final rap on the charge sheet.. of course it seems like a no-brainer to many of us and we hardly ever stop to really think about it - shunning is bad, the watchtower believes in shunning therefore the watchtower is bad.

they need to stop it.

Marvin Shilmer

I think the average ex-JW or JW who dislikes Watchtower's shunning program is not because either objects to the notion of shunning but, rather, because the method used by Watchtower lacks transparency and employs star-chamber tactics.

By comparison, the biblical instance where Paul supposedly recommended a congregation shun an individual he went on to tell everyone the precise reason for his recommendation. Supposedly the man was immorally living with his own father's wife. Okay. So now members of that congregation knew the issue and could therefore decide whether they would shun the individual. Watchtower's program does not do this. The supposed "sin" for which a JW might be shunned for could be a completely moral act of demanding answer to a question that deserves an answer. On top of this we have the problem of star-chamber tactics.

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Life On Mars!!!

by apostrate in

i first heard of this a couple of years ago, i think it is nasa that is sending people to mars to begin a colony on the red planet.

they will never be allowed to return to earth.

i just saw on the morning news that they have 100 people narrowed down who have volunteered.

Marvin Shilmer

And the ratio of At-Homes to Not-At-Homes is expected to be nearly identical to what we find on earth, which is a sure sign that the same god who created earth also created mars, which means wasting time on mars is every bit as important as wasting time on earth, which means this wasted time is very important to report, which begs the question should the time it takes to get to the territory be counted?

Answer: If the publisher leaves a handbill in a laundromat on earth just before blasting off to mars the travel time to the planet should be included as part of the ministerial activity. If the publisher does not leave a handbill in a laundromat just prior to blast off then the travel time should not be included--(signed GB via Service Desk SKE)

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Time to criticize another religion: Islam

by SonoftheTrinity in

please understand i have nothing against islam.

i have something against alpha muslim men.. i was walking my cute little chihuahua mix in the park the other day when darts off sniffing since i am using a retractable extension leash and i am not minding the fact that he comes up on a muslim family and gets within a foot of them.

the paterfamilias gives me a dirty look and then says something to his wife and i can make out the word "saif" which is arabic for "sword.

Marvin Shilmer

When a dog comes up to me sniffing it makes me feel like just another piece of $hit.

Otherwise the Islamic faith needs to grow up just like all other religious faiths need to grow up. They need to realize the world they live in is not what their ancient ancestors thought.

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Why I became agnostic after leaving the Watchtower

by donny in

one of many things that led me to agnosticism after leaving the jw's was the cognitive dissonance i encountered with those in the mainstream churches, especially the really conservative ones.

these types would scream out in protest (rightly so) on all of the current atrocities going on in the world regarding islam and its radical extremists, but then justify the savage murders and slaughter perpetuated by israel in the old testament.. often i would take these passages and replace the names and places of these scriptures with current ones.

for example 1 samuel 15:3 reads "now go, attack the amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them.

Marvin Shilmer

They would abandon both in a New York minute if they had to choose between their riches and them.

For pragmatic purposes I usually go Republican. But I agree with what you write. I've often heard utterance of the "balanced" complaint "Democrats won't get out of my pocketbook and Republicans won't get out of my bedroom" or something to that effect. The reality is the mainstream in neither affiliation gives a damn about anyone's bedroom and both want more of the money in your pocketbook to be in their pocketbook. Frankly, I'd say it's a very small minority of Republicans that care what you do in your bedroom, but among these are some of the loudest blowhards on planet earth. But among these loud chest-thumping blowhards it never escapes my notice that they usually have found a way to put a lot of cash in their pockets over the years.

For most of earth's population, its about increasing their own personal economic circumstance. It's about the money.

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Putin the Pressure Up!

by snare&racket in

jw
friends

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/05/nato-rapid-reaction-force-counter-russia-ukraine.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/02/08/russia-investors-on-war-watch-wednesday/.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11397924/ukraine-crisis-europe-and-us-debate-how-to-handle-russia-live.html.

Marvin Shilmer

NATO should start flying planes all over his borders.

What planes? NATO's available air force is appallingly dismal.

If WW III started tomorrow Russian forces could overwhelm and devastate Eastern Europe before--and here it comes--the US stepped in and paid the bill with US blood and US taxpayer money.

Ukraine and weapons? If the US begins openly weaponizing Ukraine's military Putin will respond in kind and escalation will occur, and probably to a very bad end.

Putin is surrounded and kept in power by super wealthy oligarchs. These men are not interested in nationalism per se. They are interested in maintaining monopolies over the Russian citizenry they exploit to keep and grow their economic power. Controlling these men is controlling Putin.

How to best influence Russia's oligarchy is the quadrillion dollar question.

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Thankyou tv.jw! you are helping my wife wake up!

by stuckinarut2 in

i have to thank tv.jw!!!

(im not putting the complete link, but you know what i mean).

after showing my wife the 'trolley song' as we now call it, she was rolling on the floor in embarrassment and shock.. she shook her head, and was clearly troubled by what we watched.. little by little, the org is actually helping more to wake up!

Marvin Shilmer

What is this thing? How do I look it up to view it myself?

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Hello

by Garrett in

jw
friends

hello forum,.

i'm new here and not sure where to post.

so, i'm 21 years old and currently a baptized witness, however, i'm slowly making my mind up to leave and here's why.. first, there are certain things that make no sense to me in the organization.

Marvin Shilmer

Garrett,

Much of what you depict is a predictable outcome based on an admission Watchtower made years ago of the reason for all the time consuming activity. Most JWs have no idea Watchtower officials made this admission, and it's telling:

Why the unrelenting pressure for more and more organized religious activity?

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Stop WT society information control by giving access to REAL information

by flipper in

jw
friends

of course we all know that many ex-jw's are doing this online constantly and that's a good thing.

whether by you tubes, websites, blogs, etc.

the worldwide community of ex-jw's has been and will continue to be proactive in putting out real information to counteract and offset the lies and fantasy propaganda put out by the wt society.

Marvin Shilmer

The following link offers three pages, each of which makes for a handy and helpful handout to aid JWs who have not found anything better to do then stand around hawking Watchtower propaganda. The third image/page would suffice all by itself!

Watchtower Verdict of Record

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What's so great about the Elder's School???

by DATA-DOG in

i have a friend who is an eldub and he just completed elder's school!

what did he learn?

as far as i can tell, he learned:.

Marvin Shilmer

Nothing is great about elder schools. They're tiresome and an utter waste of time.

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The Status of DO`s , Co`s , Zone Servants , or their equivalents , nowadays .

by smiddy in

i am just trying to figure out who is an employer and an employee as opposed to a volunteer in this organisation .. are the governing body members of the wtb&ts employers ?

do they consider themselves volunteers ?.

are anybody male or female under their jurisdiction employee`s ?

Marvin Shilmer

Are the Governing Body members of the WTB&TS employers ?

The Watchtower organization and it's adoring followers have been giving cagey answers to that question for a long, long time and probably for many and varied reasons.

So, for instance, when asked on his WWII draft registration card his employer's name and address, Fredrick Franz answered with "Administrator of the Gospel under direction of Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society."

The most direct written statement from a high ranking Watchtower corporate officer admitting an employer/employee relationship exists within the Watchtower structure is found in a letter dated December 17, 1943 and signed by then Watchtower President Nathan Homer Knorr. In this letter to the US Secretary of State Knorr wrote in his capacity as President and "as employer". This is a very rare instance of Watchtower admitting a status of employer in writing.

Just to finish the Knorr story, in a separate letter also dated December 17, 1943 Knorr wrote to the US Secretary of State on behalf of his private secretary, Milton George Henschel. He attached a copy of his letter written "as employer" in order to secure a passport for his secretary.

So in this instance (dated I know!) we have a corporate officer writing in their official capacity and declaring themselves "employer" and in tandem we have another letter making request for a secretary of the corporation as that secretary's employer.

Though dated, this might be the only known instance of Watchtower admitting in writing an employer/employee relationship between itself and staff.